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andrea, i want your take because senator mccain talked about this strange, bizarre discrepancy between what the administration knew about the intel and what they said to the american people. and now how it was self-evident and trying to muddy the waters. i don't think they will get away with it, especially when it comes to oversight from congress. senator mccain. >> i think it interferes with the depiction that the administration is trying to convey, al-qaeda is on the way. everything is fine in the middle east. >> you think it's political? >> it's certainly political. how else could you trot out, our u.n. ambassador to say this was a spontaneous demonstration? five days later it doesn't pass the smell test. >> we found out that the director of the national intelligence said they didn't think it five days later and they knew it before. some call for susan rice, ambassador to be fired over this. i think whoever told her or failed to tell her the truth should look at being fired. >> andrea: if you watch sunday shows you saw david axelrod again. they are stepping all over the story. every
andrea, i want your take because senator mccain talked about this strange, bizarre discrepancy between what the administration knew about the intel and what they said to the american people. and now how it was self-evident and trying to muddy the waters. i don't think they will get away with it, especially when it comes to oversight from congress. senator mccain. >> i think it interferes with the depiction that the administration is trying to convey, al-qaeda is on the way. everything is...
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there's always some people -- for instance, mccain. da great relationship with he came out to fight for me in 2003, in 2005, in 2006, and he was campaigning up and down. so of course when he ran for president, i was the first one to jump and to say i'm going to endorse him. it was a no-brainer. the same was with george bush. when he ran, he did great work for us. we had a great relationship, the things he did for california. how quickly he was out there with our fires, how quickly he responded, all the needs that we had. and of course i endorsed him right away, even though we didn't agree on everything, but he was my man. so some other times you just figure, like, i got to wait a little bit, i want to hear the debates, i'm going to look forward to the debates, then i make up my mind. that's where i am rig
there's always some people -- for instance, mccain. da great relationship with he came out to fight for me in 2003, in 2005, in 2006, and he was campaigning up and down. so of course when he ran for president, i was the first one to jump and to say i'm going to endorse him. it was a no-brainer. the same was with george bush. when he ran, he did great work for us. we had a great relationship, the things he did for california. how quickly he was out there with our fires, how quickly he responded,...
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leaving. >> cenk: senator mccain, what on god's green earth are you talking about? what the hell is this? everyone in afghanistan lies and says senator mccain, usa, usa. they're not going to do that. russia tried it. alexander the great tried it, the british lied it, and they're not going to lie down. what on god's green earth are you talking about? look at the numbers here. we just reached 2,000 deaths in the afghanistan war. 17,644 u.s. service members were wounded in action. now, what will war in afghanistan? a minute of 20,000 civilians killed, this is an epic disaster. "abc news" has more on this. >> uneasiness is part of the mission until the last american troops leave afghanistan in in 2014. >> the sound of a little test fire catches everyone's ear. hardened warriors on edge over those insider attacks. >> cenk: and they are not alone. now, the n.a.t.o. secretary general coming out, talking about how we might have to leave quicker than expected. that's really interesting. quote, you may see adaptation of our presence, our troops can redeploy, take on other tas
leaving. >> cenk: senator mccain, what on god's green earth are you talking about? what the hell is this? everyone in afghanistan lies and says senator mccain, usa, usa. they're not going to do that. russia tried it. alexander the great tried it, the british lied it, and they're not going to lie down. what on god's green earth are you talking about? look at the numbers here. we just reached 2,000 deaths in the afghanistan war. 17,644 u.s. service members were wounded in action. now, what...
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relationship that we had and the history and all of those things, and also with for instance senator mccain. i jumped in there as soon as he declared because he has been a friend and he has always been in the center, someone that tried to work on immigration reform, tried to work on environmental issues, energy issues and all the things that i stand for, and he was there in 2003 when i ran in the recall, he was there in 2005 for the special election, he was there again in 2006 for the re-election and when we tried to pass legislation, environmental legislation to make commitments of reducing the greenhouse gases and all of this stuff. he was very supportive in every step of the way so i of course jumped in and helped him right from the beginning. >> if you had been president four years ago instead of barack obama, how would things have been different? you could have been if you were born here. who knows. if you had been, do you honestly think you could have done any better than barack obama has done inheriting such a huge financial mess? is the reality that whoever took over was going to be
relationship that we had and the history and all of those things, and also with for instance senator mccain. i jumped in there as soon as he declared because he has been a friend and he has always been in the center, someone that tried to work on immigration reform, tried to work on environmental issues, energy issues and all the things that i stand for, and he was there in 2003 when i ran in the recall, he was there in 2005 for the special election, he was there again in 2006 for the...
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romney is running better than mccain ran in the polls. and i do believe it's because of disenchantment with president obama i know a will the of people myself antidotal doesn't do much good here. who they are not sure about romney, that's why i'm saying that the first debate means everything if he can inspire people who are not devoted. 42% devoted to president obama are not going to vote for romney. there is swing area there where if the president comes off weak or flustered. if romney can fluster him. romney is going to pick those up quickly there is much bigger than the first debate. >> i would say president obama is a known quantity. is he probably not going to change people's opinions of him. romney is a little different. even though he has been doing this for years now we have been through a whole series. people didn't watch those. people didn't watch the convention he have a big audience he is the one that needs to make a big impression. >> bill: no doubt. people need to look at the two men on the stage and think gee i can see that
romney is running better than mccain ran in the polls. and i do believe it's because of disenchantment with president obama i know a will the of people myself antidotal doesn't do much good here. who they are not sure about romney, that's why i'm saying that the first debate means everything if he can inspire people who are not devoted. 42% devoted to president obama are not going to vote for romney. there is swing area there where if the president comes off weak or flustered. if romney can...
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but do you think mccain's right? >> no, i don't think he is. it's maybe that romney can't do something himself. but if obama has a slipup, i mean that debate you referenced the gore-bush debate. i was at that debate and didn't realize what a spectacular disaster it was because i didn't hear the sigh. it was the sigh heard around the world when you were watching it at home on television. i think that damaged gore. he didn't recover from it in subsequent debates. if obama has that sort of a slipup, that can change the trajectory. i think more often than not, these debates aren't conclusive. if the debate isn't conclusive the race at this point goes to obama. >> i want to bring in governor jack markel. good to have you here. how important are these expectations? >> they certainly got a lot of play on the talk shows. but in the end i also give credit to the american people. they're going to sort it through. they've been sorting it through now for months. and certainly since the convention. it comes down to who's got the energy behind him. >> does m
but do you think mccain's right? >> no, i don't think he is. it's maybe that romney can't do something himself. but if obama has a slipup, i mean that debate you referenced the gore-bush debate. i was at that debate and didn't realize what a spectacular disaster it was because i didn't hear the sigh. it was the sigh heard around the world when you were watching it at home on television. i think that damaged gore. he didn't recover from it in subsequent debates. if obama has that sort of a...
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again, president obama interrupted john mccain routinely back in 2008. so we really have a recipe for some snujing back and forth. i don't know jim is going to be able to prevent that. it is a bigger deal for romney because he's behind in the polls and had that gaff a couple weeks ago. come off looking good or fall further in the pack >> that seems to be the general consensus. obama seems to be able to stay on the path, he should be fine. mitt romney needs the game change to happen. and campaign is building this up. they are the ones who are saying we're going to reboot. first it was the conventions, then the vice presidential pick. if he's not able to come out and he's done five full debate preps at this point. >> yeah. he may be too ready. >> yeah. he definitely this is his big chance and people understand that. >> good theater and you'll be watching right here on cbs 5 on wednesday night in denver. >> i'll be there. >> thanks so much. you can find more of melissa's segments on cbssf.com/mornings. >> plenty of complaints on the iphone but are they hurt
again, president obama interrupted john mccain routinely back in 2008. so we really have a recipe for some snujing back and forth. i don't know jim is going to be able to prevent that. it is a bigger deal for romney because he's behind in the polls and had that gaff a couple weeks ago. come off looking good or fall further in the pack >> that seems to be the general consensus. obama seems to be able to stay on the path, he should be fine. mitt romney needs the game change to happen. and...
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john mccain has debated for mitt romney and he is not expecting any major break throughs this moment. >> i can't remember whether it was the last time it was one of these comments that grabbed everybody's attention. he turned the race upside down and the debate will be campaigning in colorado today. >> well one week from today, he returns to raise some campaign cash. he will be hosting a dinner in san francisco and that dinner will be followed by a concert. they go up to $7,500 for premium seats and a chance to take a picture with the president. musical guests have not been announced. >>> there are several new laws here and coming up, the bills the governor approved on the last day to act. >>> today is the third straight spare the air day, they are avoiding gas barbecues and they are encouraged to take transportation and marks the 10th spare the air day of the season. >> how is the commute doing so far? >> right now traffic is doing well around the bay area, as a matter of fact if you are driving any time soon, you should doing fine. and 880 southbound that traffic is moving along nic
john mccain has debated for mitt romney and he is not expecting any major break throughs this moment. >> i can't remember whether it was the last time it was one of these comments that grabbed everybody's attention. he turned the race upside down and the debate will be campaigning in colorado today. >> well one week from today, he returns to raise some campaign cash. he will be hosting a dinner in san francisco and that dinner will be followed by a concert. they go up to $7,500 for...
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this is much bigger than the mccain-obama debate. >> today mitt romney traveled from boston to colorado where the debate will be held as a major player in romney's fund raiser confirmed to fox business that a few new york donors have backed away from financial commitments to the romney campaign and instead said they will spend their money to help the republicans hold on to the house of represents and pick up seats in the senate. the debates will be very important, said one person with knowledge of the matter. if romney does well, that money could come back. >>> new jersey's governor, chris christie the current front runner for the presidential nomination 2016 has decided his job is to state the obvious. >> it's a huge night. we've had a bad couple of weeks and we want to turn this around and if you want to turn it around you've got to perform on the stage. they try to say the president is not that good a debater or mitt romney is a little scared of the president. those are the professional consultants and politicians who get paid to spin you guys. that's not what my job is. it's a big n
this is much bigger than the mccain-obama debate. >> today mitt romney traveled from boston to colorado where the debate will be held as a major player in romney's fund raiser confirmed to fox business that a few new york donors have backed away from financial commitments to the romney campaign and instead said they will spend their money to help the republicans hold on to the house of represents and pick up seats in the senate. the debates will be very important, said one person with...
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a classic example going back to 2007, john mccain talking about osama bin laden. i want to play that. >> another painful one. >> on the subject of osama bin laden, he is responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent americans, he is now orchestrating other attacks on the united states of america, we will do whatever is necessary, we will track him down, we will capture, bring him to justice and i'll follow him to the gates of hell. >> okay. >> oh, gosh. >> that was like a smile. >> yes. so that's -- you know, sort of nonverbal asin cronie. between either the content of what the person is saying and the nonverbals are saying or asynchronies between the nonverbals. when you are saying you are following someone to the gates of hell, you shouldn't be smiling. viewers don't know why, but it makes them feel bad. it is very adversive to see that kind of thing. >> there are reports that romney's team is preparing what are called zingers for tomorrow night's debate. when a candidate has been stung by one, it can be very effective. the exchange between ronald reagan a
a classic example going back to 2007, john mccain talking about osama bin laden. i want to play that. >> another painful one. >> on the subject of osama bin laden, he is responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent americans, he is now orchestrating other attacks on the united states of america, we will do whatever is necessary, we will track him down, we will capture, bring him to justice and i'll follow him to the gates of hell. >> okay. >> oh, gosh. >>...
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. >> understand something about john mccain. his political advisers day aft day had to take him and almost throw him agnst the wall and him nse a say, senator, you have to let people know you served, you have to talk about what you did. he wouldn't -- he didn't want to do it. wouldn't do it. now, i'm running against a woman who, i mean, my god, that's all she talks about. our true heroes, the men and women who served us, it's the last thing in the world they talk about. >> you know, i don't even get -- i've never seen such bad tte in my life. this wan lost her legs in the service of our country in aty omupthe tmoer campaign, i don't know what the new rules are. your thoughts? >> this is one of the reasons he's behind in polls and republicanare privately conceding that he will probably lose this race. he has gotten a bit of a ey $00tos teown to him by the . he's going to be able to run some ads until election day. duckworth has ads out now that she her ride a bike and talk about the fact she'll go to washington and very much figh
. >> understand something about john mccain. his political advisers day aft day had to take him and almost throw him agnst the wall and him nse a say, senator, you have to let people know you served, you have to talk about what you did. he wouldn't -- he didn't want to do it. wouldn't do it. now, i'm running against a woman who, i mean, my god, that's all she talks about. our true heroes, the men and women who served us, it's the last thing in the world they talk about. >> you know,...
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. >> i understand something about john mccain. his picaldvisers day after day had to take him and almost throw against the wall and hit him against the head and say, senator, you have to let people knowou serve. you have to talk about whatou did. w running against a woman who, my god, that's all she talks about. our true heroes, the men and women who served us, it's the last thing in the world that they talk about. >> you know, i don't even get it. i've never sh d taste in my life. this woman lost her legs in combat, nia, and to mock her coming up in thecampaign, i don't know what the new rules are. >> that's right. this is one of the rsonse's so bd polls and puane edth hel probably lose this race. he has gotten a bit of a lifeline thrown to him by the congressional committee. they put about $450,000 into this race and he'll be able to run some ads until election day. duckworth has ads out now a the fact that she'llo waington and fight for her constituents there in that district. but you're right, there are a lot of these below th
. >> i understand something about john mccain. his picaldvisers day after day had to take him and almost throw against the wall and hit him against the head and say, senator, you have to let people knowou serve. you have to talk about whatou did. w running against a woman who, my god, that's all she talks about. our true heroes, the men and women who served us, it's the last thing in the world that they talk about. >> you know, i don't even get it. i've never sh d taste in my life....
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he debated john mccain who is an american hero. and senator obama served with senator mccain. even though he didn't agree barack obama had a very high degree of respect for john mccain looking across that stage. i fear -- he lacks that looking at romney. might not only he as he underestimate governor romney but may show -- this is a huge ri risk, he may show some of that contempt gore showed for bush and that's a huge risk for the president. stick his chin up and look down his nose at you if he thinks -- you are beneath him. if you see that body language -- >> i think that's a real danger. i think that there is not a lot of love lost between these two. i don't think that obama likes romney. think that's why he has gotten so competitive in the election. if you have that disdain coming out in the debate it can hurt obama. people obama is a likable guy, nicer guy. they don't think romney is a nice guy. if romney can equalize the like built zbap i thigap it will hel >> what he did effectively with newt gingrich during the republican debates get under his skin, how -- president has
he debated john mccain who is an american hero. and senator obama served with senator mccain. even though he didn't agree barack obama had a very high degree of respect for john mccain looking across that stage. i fear -- he lacks that looking at romney. might not only he as he underestimate governor romney but may show -- this is a huge ri risk, he may show some of that contempt gore showed for bush and that's a huge risk for the president. stick his chin up and look down his nose at you if he...
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when we talk about courage, we talk about senator mccain who was in vietnam. he was going through unbelievable torture. he risked his life going over there. every time one of our brave men or women leave for iraq war afghanistan, they risk their lives. if they can risk their lives for our country, why would send a politician be able to risk their office -- why would not a politician be able to risk their office to make the right decisions? if you have the balls to do -- ges, the guts to do it every police officer and firefighter that i have met, every single day they get up they do not know if they will see their family again. that is the coverage. to risk your life for the community. the politician cannot risk the office? hello? what are we talking about here? it is difficult to govern. it is difficult to be a senator. you can be out after one term. so what? you have served. many moved on to a another job. that is a sad story. that is we want to teacher at the university. institution is about this great information. kids are studying terrific things and how t
when we talk about courage, we talk about senator mccain who was in vietnam. he was going through unbelievable torture. he risked his life going over there. every time one of our brave men or women leave for iraq war afghanistan, they risk their lives. if they can risk their lives for our country, why would send a politician be able to risk their office -- why would not a politician be able to risk their office to make the right decisions? if you have the balls to do -- ges, the guts to do it...
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take a listen to john mccain. he spoke with candy crowley yesterday on "state of the union." john mccain the last man to debate president obama. >> i think both are excellent in their own way. i think you could argue that mitt has had a lot more recent experience. obviously. but also, candy, part of it depends on who's moderating. >> the man's been on the national stage for many years. he's an experienced debate per. this is mitt's first time on this kind of stage. >> paul ryan on the sunday talk shows. the running mate talking down expeations. look at this count. brand-new from abc news/"washington post" this morn ing. who's more likely to win the debates? the president by 20-some points. a lot of americans think the president will have the upper hand on wednesday night in denver. >> we'll see. many thanks. cnn's live coverage of wednesday night's debate starts at 7:00 eastern. >>> syria is expected to try to justify its actions in its bloody civil war when its foreign minister speaks before the united nations general assembly later this morning. nearly 30,000 people across
take a listen to john mccain. he spoke with candy crowley yesterday on "state of the union." john mccain the last man to debate president obama. >> i think both are excellent in their own way. i think you could argue that mitt has had a lot more recent experience. obviously. but also, candy, part of it depends on who's moderating. >> the man's been on the national stage for many years. he's an experienced debate per. this is mitt's first time on this kind of stage....
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i don't remember any good lines from considerry or mccain -- kerry or -- from kerry and mccain. >> this is divided up into six different sections, correct? >> yes. >> this first debate is all on domestic issue. the first three segments will all be on economic matters. then there will be one on health care, one on the role of government and then one on governing. so a number of different subjects are possible in there and i predict that jim lair will get raked over the coals depending upon what type of answers he gets and what type of questions are asked. >> what should we look for? will the candidates try to target certain voters since we're about five weeks away from the election? >> reporter: i try to ask a lot of questions of lawmakers and members of politicians. watch for -- do they really answer the question that jim lare is gonna ask or do they try to go on the platform and get it that way. that's always interesting. parm of the next three debates this -- part of the next three debates, does somebody put their foot in their mouth? i always remember regular ronald reagan saying the
i don't remember any good lines from considerry or mccain -- kerry or -- from kerry and mccain. >> this is divided up into six different sections, correct? >> yes. >> this first debate is all on domestic issue. the first three segments will all be on economic matters. then there will be one on health care, one on the role of government and then one on governing. so a number of different subjects are possible in there and i predict that jim lair will get raked over the coals...
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he was having pictures taken with senator john mccain, congresswoman michele bachmann. >> george bush, rudy giuliani. >> that's incredible. great to see both of you. thank you. >>> crash dumys used to be nothing more than rag dolls. now they go hi-tech. we go into a facility where some smart dummies are helping to save lives. you're watching cbs "this morning". ready or not, here i come! [ male announcer ] tim and richard smucker have always loved the taste of just-picked fruit. so it's no wonder why today smucker's makes the world's best jam. found ya! you always find me. you always hide here. [ male announcer ] with a name like smucker's, it has to be good. check out the latest collection of snacks from lean cuisine. creamy spinach artichoke dip, crispy garlic chicken spring rolls. they're this season's must-have accessory. lean cuisine. be culinary chic. they're this season's must-have accessory. ♪ >>> first pitch. >> last week we told you about adam greenberg who was hit in the head in his only major league at-bat seven years ago. last night the miami marlins gave him another ch
he was having pictures taken with senator john mccain, congresswoman michele bachmann. >> george bush, rudy giuliani. >> that's incredible. great to see both of you. thank you. >>> crash dumys used to be nothing more than rag dolls. now they go hi-tech. we go into a facility where some smart dummies are helping to save lives. you're watching cbs "this morning". ready or not, here i come! [ male announcer ] tim and richard smucker have always loved the taste of...
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that makes it a lot easier for governor romney n my mind, than senator mccain. no more theories. now we've resume. >> steve: that's right. and in fact, the romney camp has kinds of changed their strategy over the last couple of days publicly and now they're going to make it a choice. so many people know that the economics of our situation right now are horrible and if you look at history, there is no reason this president would be reelected given the past, if it's prologged, given the fact that unemployment is above 8% and gas prices close not closinn on 4 bucks. mr. romney presenting a choice, four more years of this, or the american people will get to determine what kind of america they want to live in. a mitt romney america or a barak obama america. >> gretchen: so no doubt that the two teams who are preparing both of these candidates are saying a lot of time figuring out, what are the negatives about the other guy or how do you get under the skin of the other guy to make it to your advantage with the american people? so last night charles krauthammer on "special report" had h
that makes it a lot easier for governor romney n my mind, than senator mccain. no more theories. now we've resume. >> steve: that's right. and in fact, the romney camp has kinds of changed their strategy over the last couple of days publicly and now they're going to make it a choice. so many people know that the economics of our situation right now are horrible and if you look at history, there is no reason this president would be reelected given the past, if it's prologged, given the...
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i say to you, the world body, if mccain-feingold was not so toothless, the prevalence of super pacs-- isn't anybody going to give us the red meat rhetoric and innovative prop comedy we have come to expect from the united nations? >> this is a bomb-- (laughter) >> jon: that's what i'm talking about. >> this is a fuse. in the case of iran's nuclear plans to build a bomb, a red line should be drawn right here. (laughter) >> jon: okay, first of all, i just got to say, bebe, bubbi, what's with the wiley coyote nuclear bomb? are you really going to pretend, are you going to pretend that you don't know what a nuclear bomb looks like? you're israel. run downstairs and look in the batesment. although if that is the sort of bomb we're dealing with i think i've got a pretty easy solution to this entire iran problem. we'll be right back >> jon: welcome back, my guest tonight plays basketball with the new york knicker bockers and the author of a book series for children, number one home court, number two next week double team. please welcome to the program amare stoudemire. >> how are you doing (c
i say to you, the world body, if mccain-feingold was not so toothless, the prevalence of super pacs-- isn't anybody going to give us the red meat rhetoric and innovative prop comedy we have come to expect from the united nations? >> this is a bomb-- (laughter) >> jon: that's what i'm talking about. >> this is a fuse. in the case of iran's nuclear plans to build a bomb, a red line should be drawn right here. (laughter) >> jon: okay, first of all, i just got to say, bebe,...
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>>guest: instead, what we have done is what senator john mccain has suggested. we had a congress that spent money like john edwards at a beauty shop. it is high time we have a different kind of tax structure. a fair tax would get us there. >> will mitt romney employ humor? or is that a mistake? >>governor huckabee: if it is natural, yes, any forced humor comes across as phony and ridiculous. >>alisyn: hold on. the zingers get attention. should the zingers be inserted. >>governor huckabee: only if he can carry it off. there is nothing worse than a forced zinger when it looks like i have been planning this all day long and now it doesn't really fit but here goes. it needs to be spontaneous. that is when humor works when people are not expecting it. >>dave: what about emotion? he showed it to you in the forum a couple of months ago. will that work? is that something he should tackle? >>governor huckabee: it was a natural moment, a powerful moment. he needs to go into it. here is my advise to mitt romney, not that he asked for it, but here it is, don't go overprepar
>>guest: instead, what we have done is what senator john mccain has suggested. we had a congress that spent money like john edwards at a beauty shop. it is high time we have a different kind of tax structure. a fair tax would get us there. >> will mitt romney employ humor? or is that a mistake? >>governor huckabee: if it is natural, yes, any forced humor comes across as phony and ridiculous. >>alisyn: hold on. the zingers get attention. should the zingers be inserted....
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market was still searing and panic and rage not a good time to be the incumbent party or four john mccain to be saving resources and campaign media blitz. especially more than one-third of fort -- voters could not be moved with the illicit -- less sens barack obama got imploring ohio voters to take advantage of early boating he is not stupid but seizing the moment that is why we question they could blow the moment of the shane paul ryan is one thing when he first unleashes him here to what switches smart but it is still piling up voters in record numbers continue to pile up their ballots that looks dumb especially most will have the long before election day that for the moment barack obama looks good. that does not stick but it does not matter for them. why the romney campaign does not leave a minute to spare. air and i was startled by the numbers but they need to get the ads out and fast? >> look at i would this week the obama campaign says more than 100,000 ballots are from democrats versus 40,000 republicans. the obama campaign will hit them again and again. neil: i don't know the reco
market was still searing and panic and rage not a good time to be the incumbent party or four john mccain to be saving resources and campaign media blitz. especially more than one-third of fort -- voters could not be moved with the illicit -- less sens barack obama got imploring ohio voters to take advantage of early boating he is not stupid but seizing the moment that is why we question they could blow the moment of the shane paul ryan is one thing when he first unleashes him here to what...